Ruger developed a Blackhawk specifically for the cartridge, but word of barrel erosion and "flame cutting" came to light quickly and production of the revolver was ceased with only about 400 produced. Joseph Von Benedikt is with Rafe Nielsen of Browning to take a look at a new X-Bolt series rifle. My stance is that Lever action rifles are still very relevant in 2020, for all the reasons that people have stated. by pwl44m Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:33 pm, Post It was even out of warranty and they took care of it no charge. 30-30 is always a good option. From reloading to bullet selection, reloading powder choice and factory ammunit. Subscriber Services. It is a smaller diameter bullet with a high velocity, which makes it penetrate well during hunting. I bought a new carrier and internal parts and fitted them to feed a loaded 357 Maximum. I think my Henry BB 45 Colt is my fav. . Learn the difference between revolvers and semi-auto pistols and what makes them different. The .450 is like a 45-70 magnum. They should come from the factory that way. Show Only with Pictures Order your barrel directly from Match Grade Machine, made however you want with their standard chamber or for $125 additional post paid to you, custom chambered by me, Mike Bellm, to my specs for best accuracy with the full range of bullet weights and types. And has since been dropped by everyone except TC.. 1,254 max in one manual . . by AJMD429 Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:32 pm, Post Marlin changed the sliding top strap to a sliding sidewall, therefore making the rifle side-ejecting. In May I went to Utah and took my brother, his son, and a handful of their friends out shooting. Or if you are willing to pay $1500-1,750 you get a Mikoru Japan made Winchester 92 Takedown rifle. I use regular .38 Special/.357 Magnum dies to load my .357 Maximum ammo. The fact is, .357 lever action rifles are proven game-getters, as they are well-suited to whitetail and hog hunting in thick timber at close (r) range, inside about 150 yards. The Lil Gun and AA1680 are max loads from my searching tho I've seen several claim you can't get enough AA1680 in the case to overload it. It could even work for breech-seating. I have shot a buddys 357, think it was Italian, a couple times as he is into Cowboy Action..not my thing but fun to watch! Savage made a small number of their model 24 Over/Under combination rifles with a .357 Rem. Most of our deer were harvested at 30-45 yards. If a Marlin 336 is a candidate for a successful rebarrel and chamber job in order to use 357 Maximum/Supermag cartridges. 38 special. That keeps spent brass out of the eye of the user and today, allowing for easy mounting of a scope. Some of the smaller single-action companies produced their version. For me, a Max levergun would only be desirable if it would cycle Mags and possibly Specials as well. 6.5 Creedmoor vs. 6.5 PRC: Which is Better? The three taped holes were 20.0 gr. Same 357 MAXIMUM 180 gr load in an 18" rifle barrel has a MP= 3111 psi vel 1663 FPS 357 Mag 158 gr 13 gr Win 296 1719 FPS 14" barrel MP= 2586 Should be Ev0-9 safe especially with a Triad Mount. We call all major brands, calibers, and gauges of ammunition for your firearms. It didn't quite make it, but still knocked the steel rams down. Ive been looking for a stainless 1894 in 44mag for years. The AR-15s in .223 are just glorified rabbit guns in my opinion. Loads for .357 Magnum: (Note: These are near maximum loads, you should use 10% less to start. From pressure data with this specific bullet, we knew there were no safety issues with the slightly oversize bullet as along as handloaders used Speer data for the Speer bullet. This is because revolvers allow a certain amount of gas to escape as the bullet jumps from the cylinder to the forcing cone, meaning lost pressure. (Ive been running 7 grains for handgun loads.). You can boost the Unique up to around 11-12 grains, as I recall, and your gun should handle it fine with that bullet. Its an entry-level model MSRP is $972, youll pay about $200 less retail but the rifle comes tapped for a scope or rail if so desired. It works out to about the same as a heavy loaded 38-55 in a Marlin 336. Todays edition also features a falling block safety, so it can be carried loaded. My findings are three of us used 357 mag out of 2 Rossi lever at 20 inch and one Marlin with 16.25 to hunt blacktails and elk. The youngsters love shooting it with .38 spl. Modern black rifles offer options older firearms cant compete with. I will admit to some bias my first handgun was a S&W Model 19 and, for many years, it was my only handgun. IMPORTANT NOTE: THROAT LENGTHS IN CUSTOM BARRELS VARY. NEVER EXCEED MAXIMUM LOADS: Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for . Comments like yours on why dont you just reload are what limits some of my shooting time on the metallic silhouette range as its full of old vietnam era (and older) shooters that whine more than a Karen in the wild if you dont pick up your brass with intent to reload. Suppessor equiped lever guns with Subsonic plinker ammo are a hoot to shoot. I have. Good thought though. Also have a stainless Rossi in .45 Colt. 20170926..35Cal.190gr.Fury.Jug.Test - Copy1.jpg, https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2t-barrel-length-muzzle-velocity-and-accuracy/, https://www.speer-ammo.com/products/bullets/rifle-bullets/hot-cor-rifle-bullet/2435, https://matchgrademachine.com/encore-contender-357-magnum-maximum-load-development-results/, http://hawkbullets.com/bullet-selection.html, https://cuttingedgebullets.com/shop/ets?caliber=43, http://www.accuratepowder.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/WPHandloading-Guide-7.0-Web-REV.pdf. It's my personal opinion that the flame cutting on the revolvers chambered in this cartridge gave it a bad rep. The chrony doesnt lie: .357 levers punch well above their weight: If you have to use a long-action gun to create a .357 Maximum, then the other easier way to get the .358" bullet going that fast, is just to use a .35 Remington chambered 'factory' levergun. Nosler, and Speer reloading manuals all recommend the use of rifle (rather than pistol) primers due to the high operating pressure of the .357 Maximum. It should be noted the original loadings of the 357 mag were to 45,000 psi, but when the smaller framed 357's came on the market the pressure of the loads was reduced to 35,000 psi. Im glad I was able to get what I needed for the time being. Depending on how hot the load is. This means that hunters are able to control the firearm much better, making more accurate and effective shots. MAXIMUM RIFLE | 325 | 122 | Lc | 125.0022ms, HARRINGTON & RICHARDSON 158 .357 MAXIMUM RIFLE. The unnecessary cross bolt safety can easily be deleted with a Beartooth Mercantile safety delete kit for $35.00. Too bad Winchester lever guns arent still made in the USA. It is easy to load moderately for closer range shots and lighter recoil. As a reloader, I will say that I have affection for the ease of use/reuse of straight walled cartridges and, thus, am a bit more fond of 10mm but, .357 sig certainly has merit. So it partly the pandemic, and partly the Presidential election, and then the riots in major cities across the USA. Bare essentials. Carbine length SAAMI maximum is 48,000, and in the closed breech guns pressures can be run at the same levels as 5.56 NATO, about 54,000 psi. It came back looking like new. Ive shot the .30-30, and its fine, but man, Id love that thing in .357. We ballistics types all know sad stories about cartridges that showed great potential but failed shortly after leaving the launch pad. We do not charge additional fees for credit cards. Its moderate recoil makes it perfect for smallish folks such as the ladies and folks with disabilities who simply can not stand the recoil of the various .45's. Such a longer cartridge is a pipe dream until someone steps up and makes a longer revolver cylinder. A broken case was stuck in the chamber and a bullet a ways down the barrel. That is fast. .357 Maximums and the 9x72R, an old German rifle cartridge. Email Mike at mike@357maximum.net or call 541 956 6938. Buy .357 Maximum SuperMag 180g Hornady XTP HP 1800 FPS 20 rounds: GunBroker is the largest seller of Pistol Ammunition Ammunition All: 972984640. . Personally I like Blue Dot, and Bullseye for plinking rounds. Designed to use popular handgun calibers, it allowed shooters to carry a single caliber of ammo. It really boils down to max distance, drop, and how much the bullets . Great rifle and never have had an issue, shooting with 8 grains of unique with 225 grn semi wadcutters. Unless they went back later to get it they never seemed to care that much. 2023 Outdoor Sportsman Group. Then ordered a new 1894 with Ballard rifling, checkering, and sling studs for 350. Just picked up a Marlin 1894C at my local gun store. So there are several options available that are much less expensive than the fine examples listed in the article. It was introduced in 1935, and its use has since become widespread. Probably because the articles title was the 5 best RIFLES, not handguns. Yup. Expect this one to make a comeback, like the 10mm. .357 out of a 20 Henry Big Boy Steel rivals the muzzle energy of a .223 out of an 18 inch. Custom barrels made by the best of the custom TC barrel manufacturers! You can throw the entire reloading setup (minus powder and primers and bullets) into a cargo pocket. But WHATEVER YOU DO, dont use FMJ for self defense. Lack of inventory isnt relevance in modern times. Surprised no one has mentioned Smith and Wesson 627 Performance Center 8 shot in 357. The easiest way to get a long gun in .357 Max is in a Handi Rifle and there is plenty written about them in the Max. For the more meticulous shooters and those who like to experiment with the widest variety of bullet types. .358" jacketed, .357" jacketed, and cast lead bullets, just ask them to send the barrel to me to chamber for $105 post paid to you, billed separately by me. I had just enough time to look at a Winchester 92 in .357(did not like the large loop lever) and an italian copy of the 73. From what I hear the Henry trigger is better though. Accepted Payment Methods: Returns: 3 Days Shipping to your FFL by insured FedEx Ground will be $45. Yes I had one.. perry42 Nov 23, 2018 #12 Buy 357 Maximum Brass Pistol Cases 95pcs Mixed Brass 357 Max: GunBroker is the largest seller of Reloading Supplies Ammunition Reloading All: 974082394. . Regardless of the manufacturer, most reloading books recommend you do not load bullets lighter than 158 grains. It can be used against medium to large game, with hunters disagreeing over its efficacy for dangerous game such as bear. I admit that these articles about .357s have me thinking What the hell? Learn more here: http://bit.ly/1G7xXag. First and foremost is that all the straight-walled cartridges in this article max out at somewhat close range. new No sales CA - NY - know your state laws! This allows, again, for higher velocities and energies than the revolvers made by Ruger and Smith & Wesson. Ps should've gone with 26" would be better. It took only a few rounds to actually erode (read cut) that section. has the energy and accuracy needed for 200 meter silhouette shooting. Larger game such as elk or black bear warrant a more substantial cartridge and hunting game on the open plains of the West requires more power and a flatter trajectory. Rossi makes various models starting at about $500. The .357 Maximum is a stretched .357 Magnum case; its about 0.315 inch longer than its parent. I still have a stash of Hornady 180 grain SSP's for it. Once that word gets around, Henry and Brazilian made Rossi levers, and even Uberti and other Italian made Lever guns will gain more of the market share. It's another special purpose cartridge that has an eerie resemblance to the Max. Its nice to check back in after so many years and see that my old photos and articles are still relevant. I wrote the original TTAG book on pistol-caliber levers back in the day, and Id like to add a few points to those made in this article. .357 inches (all 350 legend) shell case length: Source: www.okshooters.com http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?309518-Saddle-ring-carbines-How-do-you-use-the-ring. Chiefs Special, 6 Python and Henry in 357. by groschen1936 Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:30 am, Post Get your barrels customized early for next season! Given its performance for me in those cases it seems it would make an excellent powder for use in the 357 in rifles. But its the old Supply and demand scenario. Of the 32 models of 357 lever gun they offer, there are precisely zero units currently available for sale. Try some Blue Dot in your .357 Mag, chronograph it and see how you like it. Im going to be very careful dipping into a little bit of political prognostication, but I think most of us would acknowledge that gun-banners have a list of the guns they hate most (cough AR cough) and that John Waynes Cowboy Rifle is way down at the bottom of that list. NEVER see one at any reasonable price at any LGS. .30-30 is just a little unpleasant in it due to the light weight and stock. No more squirrel. by Chris83716 Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:35 pm, Post The Henry Big Boy Steel is a great option, too. The.357 Maximum, formally known as the.357 Remington Maximum or the.357 Max, is a super magnum handgun cartridge originally developed by Elgin Gates as the wildcat.357 SuperMag. Remington and Ruger eventually . There is an issue in how the hammer and bolt are aligned. And some states (North Carolina) consider that a concealed weapon. Get one batch of 360 brass from Starline for ammo to be loaded hot. Kahlil, was the Marlin 94 you just got back from the Repair shop made between 2007 and 2012-2015? COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. GunBroker.com Forums. I have a MGM barrel 24" ProHunter Contour 1:14 twist which allows me to shoot 180 grain bullets and above extremely well. Really puts a pop in the round. Discussion forums for GunBroker.com users. They also make a valid home defense rifle AND a great truck gun, to keep the Karens and Kens from whining ASSAULT RIFLE. Every bullet tested shot very well, and we did not have any key-holing whatsoever on any of the projectiles. Instead of repeating all the details, Ill just post the link below. Seems like whenever Ive had the funds, none have been available, and when Im broke, there everywhere. As a recap on hand loads, I would suggest that anyone wishing to hunt with the .357 rifle should . They can. Because the title of the article is Five great not Five cheap.. bullets in barrels around 20. Since its a range toy for me, its never been a big enough issue for me to bump it to the top of the to-do list. Maximum average pressure (MAP) was set at 40,000 psi/48,000 CUP, substantially higher than the .357 Magnum. by AJMD429 Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:09 pm, Post by Nath Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:30 pm, Post The trigger is even really nice for a lever gun and I own a bunch of them. Now Rechambering Henry Single Shot .357 Magnum Rifles! .357 Mag ammo from brands like Hornady, Federal, and CCI. All Types (1000+) Bagged in plastic, clean, and well oiled. Item Number: 534196137. Unfortunately it caught the Remlin disease and had to be sent to the ship for some warranty work. Although some may not find this particular gun relevant, I think there are lots of pluses. Thats exactly the sort of info i was looking for. That all depends on the powder youre burning. 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