Lee had high hopes when he first got back as to what he was going to do. She has no control over him. His plans, as we well know now, were already made to go to Russia, rather than to Cuba. In November, 1959, as a reporter in Moscow, she had interviewed a twenty-year-old ex-Marine at the Metropole Hotel in Moscow named Lee Harvey Oswald, who'd announced he wanted to defect to. But my goodness, this is completely out of the ballpark. Thats where he started doing a lot of reading and everything. Or he just walked the streets, ride the subways. One in this documentary series. As this realization deepens and becomes more omnipresent and more unavoidable, he feels a greater and greater need to get out, to escape. So it's not surprising that after just a few months, he began to grow tired of it. Living in Fort Worth, TV was making its debut. And why it wasnt stopped sooner. But he finally said, Brother, you wont find anything there.. What was going on there? I mean, they had asked the wrong man. The book's findings will catapult you into a trip through a house . I think that, more than anything, sheds a spotlight on the one-dimensionality of his ideological commitments, as it were. Theres hard physical evidence there. There's hard physical evidence there. ** = At least this version is the most \"complete\" version I have ever seen, although a little bit of editing has certainly been done at the very beginning, because we don't hear the interviewer's first question to Oswald. Oswald met and married Marina in the Soviet. It was a game to him. He says that the "hard physical evidence" from the assassination leads him to one conclusion: "The Warren Commission was correct." Those are the indications that say he took some thought, some planning over a long period of time. At every step of the way, what leads Oswald to trying to remove himself from the Soviet Union is not anything intellectual or ideological -- nothing substantive in that respect. To try to understand why Lee did what he did on Nov. 22 is a cumulative effect of all his past plans and efforts and failures. He had an interesting experience and he had a Russian wife. Why couldn't he find a sense of purpose or place there? He was expecting the future was going to resolve itself, that history would end. The fact that he could put on a facade and pretend to be somebody he wasn't -- to me, it gets down to what happened later on. As far as Lee giving any information to the Russians while he was over there, even though he said he would if they had asked, apparently they weren't interested in it. Lee had high hopes when he first got back as to what he was going to do. When he returned to the United States, he didnt want to be a Russian. After getting some help with the Secret Service as far as getting a pass up to see Lee, I was allowed to visit with him approximately eight to 10 minutes. When Lee got back from Russia, the way he talked about the Russian system, he didn't talk about it politically, in the sense that he was wrapped up in communism or Marxism. Talk about his mothers importance to him. Of course, we can't extricate ourselves permanently or perfectly from wherever it is we come from, no matter how much we try, and we are always functions of our place, even if we wish not to be. Whether Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone to assassinate President John F. Kennedy has been the subject of countless articles, books, and movies. As things progressed down the line the job didn't work out. I asked him about this lawyer in New York and I told him I would get him one down here, meaning in Texas. But certainly by age three, he had the sense, I need to be someplace else. Mother would be putting him with a nanny, or a babysitter, or in an orphan home with us, just to get us out of her hair. One, we tend to think of Kennedy as having been so great and really all-powerful, almost mythological, and at the same time we tend to think of Oswald as so low, that it seems unfathomable that somebody so low, so inconsequential, could topple someone so great. When Lee is discharged, early discharge in September 1959, he returns to Fort Worth for about three days. I think the way Lee learned New York was just apply himself to it. Lee's fantasy life, to me, became apparent in the 1948, 1949, 1950 period. And his disenchantment began to morph into a kind of anger and frustration. This is mind over heart. Youve got all the physical evidence that ties together. You look at all the data there, and it comes up to one conclusion as far as Im concerned the Warren Commission was correct. Visitors can watch a large bank of television sets recalling the Kennedy assassination and Lee Harvey Oswald's capture. Lee Harvey Oswald is dragged from the Texas Theatre by Patrolman C.T. This was 1959. Thats the shocker. Selecteer de afdeling waarin je wilt zoeken. She is wanting to go back to Russia. Follow him on Twitter @davidastinwalsh. He finally got a job that wasnt exactly what he really wanted, but it was a start. Oswald told Marina that killing Walker would have been like killing Hitler, so clearly Oswald imagined himself playing some kind of grand world-historical role, and it's noteworthy that the way in which he went about attempting to kill Walker was exactly the way he went about successfully killing John F. Kennedy. I wrote him back that, to my knowledge, nothing he has done warrants any charges, because they did not let him accomplish anything over there, i.e., the U.S. Embassy did not accept his citizenship rejection. He never did answer. Hes already tried living with Mother for about a week to 10 days, and that went the way it usually goes. FRONTLINE: WHO WAS LEE HARVEY OSWALD? I anticipated, and I said to the family, "He'll be back within a year." I didn't know -- but I think that was his posture all along, with the interrogators. I've managed to keep it quiet." I don't know. This is mind over heart. In fact, she is quick to get moving on the bureaucratic process involved in that to emigrate. Tell me about that, and what his attitude is and the kinds of things you talked about. . There's something about a sort of metaphysical break when it comes to his migration to the Soviet Union, and I think that in a way he set himself up for not only failure but terrible disappointment. Among his nine books is the bestseller, Case Closed (1993), which concludes that Lee Harvey Oswald acted . In comparison to yourself, what was Lee missing from his childhood? Marguerite Oswald, mother of slain accused presidential assassin Lee Harvey Oswald, is shown in New York with attorney Mark Lane on February 17, 1964, after testifying in Washington before. Funding for FRONTLINE is provided through the support of PBS viewers and by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. Could you describe that process of disillusionment? It was always separation, separation, separation. He was quickly integrated into the mechanism of daily proletarian life in the Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic. I wasnt real sure what the explanation was. On Nov. 22, [1963] it went way downhill. He failed at both. But the diminutive nineteen-year-old Marine was serious. When Lee is discharged, early discharge in September 1959, he returns to Fort Worth for about three days. Youve talked about Lees character trying to do something, getting frustrated, doing something dramatic. . When I returned home from work that evening, I asked him about it, and he said, Well, everything went all right. What do you do with his rifle? He's thinking about going to Cuba. Using archival footage, interviews and dramatic reconstruction, "Killing Oswald" explores the mystery of how and why John F. Kennedy and Lee Harvey Oswald were assassinated in 1963. He told me about it, and I told him Id go with him. As I learned later on, hes becoming very belligerent to Mother. This was 1959. Initially, when we started talking, I was concerned about his bruises on his face that he had received at his capture at the Texas theater. You could tell by the tone of the language, not that we could understand the Russian language, but the tone and the facial expressions that they were having an argument. But at the same time, he always was trying to get away from her. About October 1962 things were not going along too good. I mean, I watched the deterioration of a human being. After getting some help with the Secret Service as far as getting a pass up to see Lee, I was allowed to visit with him approximately eight to 10 minutes. Additional funding is provided by the Abrams Foundation; the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation; Park Foundation; the Heising-Simons Foundation; and the FRONTLINE Journalism Fund with major support from Jon and Jo Ann Hagler on behalf of the Jon L. Hagler Foundation, and additional support from Koo and Patricia Yuen. I think the way Lee learned New York was just apply himself to it. He wasnt political. The two-hour documentary special traces Oswald's life from his boyhood to that fateful day in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963, posing a number of questions: Was Oswald the emotionally disturbed "lone. And so the Marines, and then later the Soviet Union, should be viewed as an attempt by Oswald to find structure, to find place. All these ups and downs he's having, he keeps trying to get up and make it at some level, but he's not succeeding. I anticipated, and I said to the family, Hell be back within a year. Well, it took him a little bit longer than that, but he started trying after a year to come back. According to Robert Oswald, the "hard physical evidence" leads him to one conclusion: "The Warren Commission was correct." Lees trying. It maybe opened up some doors for him. What was going on there? Hed actually applied for Albert Schweitzers school in Switzerland, and been accepted for that summertime or fall semester. Its good that people raise questions and say, Wait a minute, lets take a second look at this. But when you take the second look and the third and the 40th and the 50th, hey, enoughs enough. This was something all his own. The result of the whole mismanagement was Lee's death. Tell me about his interest in the television show "I Led Three Lives" and what that says about him and his imagination. So if we don't understand something, we assume that there is some sort of plot or conspiracy -- that there is an order, and we're just not seeing it. On the right right is Sgt. I asked him, I said, Lee, what in the Sam Hill is going on? He said, I dont know what theyre talking about. I said, Lee, theyve got you charged with the death of the president, shooting a police officer. He was seeming to be pretty adamant about it. I don't know at what age Mother verbalized the effect that she felt he was a burden to her. Theyve got the camera. We know he owned a rifle. I think that Marina's a very complicated character, and I think it's fair to say in Oswald she saw a very good opportunity. At what age Lee started gathering this, or sensing it, or hearing it and applying it to him, I don't know. Be the first one to, Reporter That Interviewed Lee Harvey Oswald In Moscow, ReporterThatInterviewedLeeHarveyOswaldInMoscow, Advanced embedding details, examples, and help, ALINE MOSBY SPEAKING IN PARIS ABOUT INTERVIEWING LEE HARVEY OSWALD IN MOSCOW IN 1959.mp4, Reporter That Interviewed Lee Harvey Oswald in Moscow.mp4, ALINE MOSBY SPEAKING IN PARIS ABOUT INTERVIEWING LEE HARVEY OSWALD IN MOSCOW IN 1959.ogv, Reporter That Interviewed Lee Harvey Oswald in Moscow.ogv, Terms of Service (last updated 12/31/2014). Lee's trying. He toyed with people like that. I said, "If that never came about, if you didn't really betray the country and you only attempted to do it -- and they didn't let you do it anyway -- legally, then it seems to me you have a basis." Web Site Copyright 1995-2023 WGBH Educational Foundation. She clearly saw in Oswald a ticket to ride, an opportunity to leave Russia. You'll receive access to exclusive information and early alerts about our documentaries and investigations. Did she let you know and did she let him know that the kids were a burden? We were a burden. No. They didn't finalize that. What he did after he left the building is known: bus ride, taxi ride, boardinghouse, pick up the pistol, leave, shoot the police officer. He struggled. I wrote him back that, to my knowledge, nothing he has done warrants any charges, because they did not let him accomplish anything over there, i.e., the U.S. Embassy did not accept his citizenship rejection. He was seeming to be pretty adamant about it. He's already tried living with Mother for about a week to 10 days, and that went the way it usually goes. What did he say, and what were you trying to get out of him? Three months before he assassinated President John F. Kennedy, 23-year-old Lee Harvey Oswald was interviewed a total of three times on radio and television in New Orleans, Louisiana.The attention Oswald received was undoubtedly due to the fact that the media considered him to be a very odd and unusual character. Finally, I guess, I couldn't stand it anymore. True, no one saw him actually pull the trigger on the president but his presence in the building was there. He could be somebody from New York that knew a lot of things, somebody that could get around be somebody else. What do you do with his general opportunity? Marina was upbeat on it. Now, on to his biography and the major point of your book: the biography of Lee Harvey Oswald. He wasnt present when they took a head count [at the Texas School Book Depository]. After Lee's return, approximately two weeks, in the latter part of June 1962, he gets a call from one of the FBI agents -- I believe that was Mr. Fain -- in wanting to have a meeting with him. There was always a constant move. The third thing was he wanted to look into his dishonorable discharge from the Marine Corps, because he felt like that was unwarranted because, i.e., he was released with honorable conditions. He really wasn't. He was ready. She had been overbearing or whatever. He could project this type of image, and he did; he tried to. The two events -- the failed assassination of Walker and the successful assassination of Kennedy -- just represent a ratcheting up, and eventually there's this culmination of violence, which is meant to enable Oswald's escape from his life, and this way, the homicide is as much a suicide. You look at the factual data, you look at the rifle, you look at the pistol ownership, you look at his note about the Walker shooting. After obtaining a hardship discharge from the Marines, Lee Harvey Oswald left the United States for the Soviet Union in 1959. So, to me, that was his back-up plan if everything else failed. So consequently, he calls me up and he tells me that theyre moving to Dallas. Lee Harvey Oswald speaks to the press - YouTube 0:00 / 1:08 Lee Harvey Oswald speaks to the press CNN 14.7M subscribers Subscribe 7.3K Share 1.4M views 9 years ago Lee Harvey. Can you describe that for me? We talked about family matters. ES. Photographs and documents also are on display. So Oswald benefitted from all that. Can you summarize what the atmosphere was like there that Saturday, and what you made of it? Hola, identifcate. He just wanted to see what he could do about getting it done. Very garrulous, very sexual, very clear about her objectives. He always enjoyed books, but then he started exploring other areas. He knew something they didnt know, and he would keep it to himself. Can you sort of talk about that character trait? Account en lijsten Retourzendingen en . And this opened up certain avenues or possibilities that would not have been available to him otherwise. Youve got all kinds of documented evidence. That distinction belongs to my CBS colleague Bob. The two girls grew up in a small Texas town, sheltered . One was he wanted to get his manuscript typed up and written. Capture a web page as it appears now for use as a trusted citation in the future. We talked about this at a great length during that first week. But Lee had that same personality type. I think he was surprised when he stepped off the plane in Dallas Field -- he asked me, "What, no reporters?" Now apparently, for whatever reasons or however they checked it out, they found out whatever he knew wasn't necessarily anything they'd be interested in. Tell me about his growing problems with Marina. He had a rifle, he had positioned himself, he prepared in advance to take his shot, after he took the shot he left the rifle there, and then walked away and found his own way home. You've got all the physical evidence that ties together. Oswald met Marina in March of 1961, and he immediately sees in Marina the antidote to Ella German, who had really broken his heart. He imagined himself taking part in something bold and totally separate from anything he had come from. Oswald was an avowed Marxist whose sojourn to the. The result of the whole mismanagement was Lees death. They've got the camera. WGBH educational foundation, In Fight Against ISIS, a Lose-Lose Scenario Poses Challenge for West. He toyed with the interrogators down at the Dallas police station, all that weekend [after the assassination]. Yes, I think that there is a process here, in the same way there had been a process in the Soviet Union, in the same way there'd been a process in the Marines, and the same way there'd been a process coursing through his adolescence. He was relaxed, but at about the second day, he starts talking about where hes going. What do you do with his pistol? Somehow, somebody never realized what the Sam Hill was going on. It's always personal. I asked him, I said, "Lee, what in the Sam Hill is going on?" I'd love to do that, but you cannot. Among his nine books is the bestseller, Case Closed (1993), which concludes that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. I think this was passed on to Lee. They've got your rifle. You see him for a few days when he gets out [of the Marines]. Last month Secretary of State John Kerry, commenting in an interview on the 50th anniversary of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, said: "To this day, I have serious doubts that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I said, "Lee, they've got you charged with the death of the president, shooting a police officer. But he had said he was going to give the Russians any information he had, and it seemed like he did. He finally got a job that wasn't exactly what he really wanted, but it was a start. Thats almost unbelievable. Lee would rebel against the discipline of the Marine Corps when he had the opportunity to, when the leeway was there. Walker and, still chewing his cigar, Detective Paul Bentley, on Nov. 22, 1963. But the facts are there. This is a struggle that has gone on with me for almost 30 years now. He was what's convenient to be. He deprived the country of its opportunity for working through all of the evidence, all of the details surrounding the assassination, so there's kind of a breathlessness, an awful void, that's left in the wake of Oswald's assassination. There is a power that comes from Marxist doctrine, a sense of belonging to something right now that is on the cusp of doing something very, very important. He pressed the lieutenants, he pressed the platoon leaders. Zoeken Amazon.nl. He did not and would not talk to any of the interrogators about anything of substance. Jolly West visited Jack Ruby in jail and gave him an injection and soon after Ruby died from rapid cancer, Jack was also a patsy! It was always separation, separation, separation. Three, maybe more fundamentally, I think that modern man, especially in modern America, is just congenitally incapable of making sense of tragedy. Sending Out Veterans' Benefits, The Executive Branchs Response to the Flood of 1927, The Case For Calling the Language "American", America Fought Its Own Battle Over Books Before it Fought the Nazis. Industries Crime and. About October 1962 things were not going along too good. John and I would be off doing other things. But at the same time, he always was trying to get away from her. To me, you cant reach but one conclusion. What was he expecting when he went to the Soviet Union? He was on his own in libraries. She had certain characteristics that were so much like Lee: the time and circumstances always seemed to be against her; the world owed her a living; she wanted to be somebody. His wife is trying to have a second child born in Russia. He'd actually applied for Albert Schweitzer's school in Switzerland, and been accepted for that summertime or fall semester. He's getting a better opportunity, he thinks, in Dallas, because it's a bigger job market over there than what Fort Worth was at the time. They're not progressing at the speed I think he wants to progress. Here was a start. He's on a downhill run. FRONTLINE reports from Iraq on the miscalculations and mistakes behind the brutal rise of ISIS. But a new book from world-renowned JFK assassination researcher Josiah "Tink" Thompson comes to a shocking different conclusion: Lee Harvey Oswald did not fire the fatal shot that killed. The appeal to Lee of something like that Marxism, communism, socialism, would be something unique, something different not [an] everyday occurrence. That influence was just tremendous on him. PBS is a 501(c)(3) not-for-profit organization. It had everything to do with the fact that he was not good at fitting in, at settling in, so as the realities of day-to-day life began to pile up, as they began to impose on him, he became less enchanted. All these ups and downs hes having, he keeps trying to get up and make it at some level, but hes not succeeding. on the Internet. He did not and would not talk to any of the interrogators about anything of substance. With John F. Kennedy, Lee Harvey Oswald, Nigel Barber, Raymond Burns. The third thing was he wanted to look into his dishonorable discharge from the Marine Corps, because he felt like that was unwarranted because, i.e., he was released with honorable conditions. Author Norman Mailer, and others, have questioned why Ruby would have left his two beloved dogs in his car if he had planned on killing Oswald at police headquarters.The House Select Committee on Assassinations in its 1979 Final Report opined: Ruby's shooting of Oswald was not a spontaneous act, in that it involved at least some premeditation. But my goodness, this is completely out of the ballpark. Did he talk about the Russian system and the American system and comparing the two? ", He is the older brother of Lee Harvey Oswald, and a former Marine and salesman. But it was not terribly electric, it did not offer a lot in the way of possibility or newness. Our mother was Lee's most important person in his life. The mind tells me one thing, and the heart tells me something else. He was making fun of how inept they were, and he was making fun of them all the time. You look at all the data there, and it comes up to one conclusion as far as I'm concerned -- the Warren Commission was correct. And not only that, but it offered immediate salvation, or immediate asylum. After obtaining a hardship discharge from the Marines, Lee Harvey Oswald left the United States for the Soviet . You look at the factual data, you look at the rifle, you look at the pistol ownership, you look at his note about the Walker shooting. We want to impose order and logic on everything. They wasn't going to convince him to say something. [He wanted to] get established and start the American life, live the American dream. He had tapped into or been drawn to the emotions which that politics helped to foment, but did he have a deep understanding of how revolutions unfold, and the relationship between the proletariat and the means of production? What do you do with his rifle? There's a logic in that. My first lawyer Tom Howard told me to say that I shot Oswald so that Caroline and Mrs. Kennedy wouldn't have to come to Dallas to testify. New York City. He didnt elaborate on that. He says he got that at the theater, and they hadnt been mistreating him since then. She had certain characteristics that were so much like Lee: the time and circumstances always seemed to be against her; the world owed her a living; she wanted to be somebody. What do you do with his actions? He indicated that, if reporters were asking about when he's coming back, to say nothing He wanted not to be bothered by the reporters. He wanted to be an American, to be accepted by the American society, and so wherever he was he wanted to be accepted. The continuity there, the lack of stability, I think, entered into that to a large degree. I would love to be able to say that Lee was not involved in any way whatsoever, or much less to the extent that I believe that he was. He was, in fact, an American citizen all the time, and still had the rights of the American citizen. What do you do with his general opportunity? Anytime they brought anything up that pertained to the assassination of the president and the shooting of the police officer, he knew nothing about it. , As things progressed down the line the job didnt work out. Nothing illustrates the thinness, the superficiality of Oswald's ideology as his growing disillusionment with the Soviet Union. Similarly, the committee believed it was less likely that Ruby entered the police basement without assistance, even though the assistance may have been provided with no knowledge of Ruby's intentions The committee was troubled by the apparently unlocked doors along the stairway route and the removal of security guards from the area of the garage nearest the stairway shortly before the shooting There is also evidence that the Dallas Police Department withheld relevant information from the Warren Commission concerning Ruby's entry to the scene of the Oswald transfer.When Ruby was arrested immediately after the shooting, he told several witnesses that he helped the city of Dallas \"redeem\" itself in the eyes of the public, and that Oswald's death would spare \"Mrs. None took him seriously. When he first approached the divided cubicles and I picked up the telephone on my side, he picked up his. While he does not see Oswald as a Soviet, CIA or FBI recruit, he is careful to point out many of the unanswered questions regarding Oswald's mysterious associations and possible ties to the mob. We were a burden. ISIS' growing foothold in Afghanistan is captured on film. Its there; put it to rest. Theyve gone to the extreme measures to prove that he owned that rifle. Tracked down in 1977, Marguerite demanded a payday before talking about her son and showed off her 'library' of JFK assassination books. " I'm just a patsy!"Lee Harvey Oswald Oswald the Assassin? But when you take the second look and the third and the 40th and the 50th, hey, enough's enough. It was a terrible thing to look at. He seemed to really get involved with it and hang onto it after the programs were over. That influence was just tremendous on him. He had fallen deeply for Ella, and he had proposed to her and she had said no, and he saw in Marina somebody who was meant to distract him and carry him forward. Arriving in Moscow on October 16, he declared that he wished to renounce his U.S. citizenship and become a Soviet national. Everything is deteriorating. The mind tells me one thing, and the heart tells me something else. The first thing he says is -- and he points to it -- "It's tapped." Living in Fort Worth, TV was making its debut. So then what happens, and how does he get to Dallas? As I learned later on, he's becoming very belligerent to Mother. I said, "If you told me everything you've done, it seems to me you have a case that you could perhaps get a reversal on that, that you did not do anything that they anticipated you done." It's always a friend or a woman. He started becoming more and more independent and out on his own because Mother was working all the time, no brothers around, no father figure around, no adult that he was acquainted with that he could rely on to and talk to. Lee would rebel against the discipline of the Marine Corps when he had the opportunity to, when the leeway was there. Convinced that his brother was solely responsible for the assassination of John F. Kennedy, Oswald offers details in this interview about Lee's formative years and young adult life, and. I was just completely in the dark. From Russia, he had written you, saying that he was worried about charges being brought against him when he came back. Youve got the backyard picture. After the assassination you see Lee in the police station, in the jail. Consequently, people left it wide open. He started becoming more and more independent and out on his own because Mother was working all the time, no brothers around, no father figure around, no adult that he was acquainted with that he could rely on to and talk to. In his new book, The Interloper: Lee Harvey Oswald Inside the Soviet Union Peter Savodnik, a journalist who lived and worked in Moscow and has extensively traveled around the former Soviet Union, dives into the foreign life of America's most notorious assassin.
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